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  • Lord America

    I don’t believe people are born evil. When we’re born, we’re all just babies who rely on other people for love, care, and guidance. We don’t come into the world with hatred, prejudice, or a desire to hurt others. Those things are shaped over time by our experiences and the environment we grow up in. The way we’re raised, the examples we see, the challenges we face, and the people around us all influence who we become. That doesn’t mean people aren’t responsible for their actions—they absolutely are. But I think it’s important to recognize that our choices are influenced by many different factors, not because we’re simply born evil. I also think there’s a difference between being born with certain personality traits and being born evil. Some people may naturally be more impulsive, emotional, or cautious than others, but those traits alone don’t make someone evil. It’s how those traits interact with a person’s experiences and the choices they make throughout life that shapes who they become. Believing that people aren’t born evil doesn’t excuse harmful behavior. People should still be held accountable for their actions. But if we understand how people develop and what influences them, we’re in a better position to prevent harm, support people who need help, and build stronger communities. So, in my opinion, people aren’t born evil. They’re born with potential, and who they become is shaped by a combination of their experiences, their environment, and ultimately the choices they make.

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  • Lord America

    It’s sad that when one doesn’t look perfect or has perfect symmetry in their face or has some sort of deformity that people equate that to creepiness. I think it’s harmful because there’s plenty of good people very kind caring decent people who might not look perfect. What happens if you have a scar because of an injury or accident? Or you have a burn or just a defect from birth. I’m sure those people get sick of people thinking that they look creepy just because they look different and they have visible imperfections. This is why some people have body image issues, low self-esteem, low confidence, because they have to put up with people staring at them and making comments that they must be creepy. Don’t forget once upon a time people who were left-handed was seen as evil. Luckily, that was a long, long, long many many many years ago, but just a highlight how just because someone’s left-handed doesn’t mean they are bad obviously but when you have a difference because the majority of people right handed, this is a harmful opinions that come out. Sometimes blind people get comments that they’re blind eyes look creepy so it’s annoying. It’s horrible. It’s insensitive

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  • LordLundin

    Wow, I managed to write a comment that is too long so I will break it up. Crazy we can have 1 hour long comments but a couple hundred word comment is too much! Ramblio doesn't seem fit to display the cutoff either so I'll just have to wing it. Comment follows: Since I speak like a drug addict who's off my fix, and I so happen to be on my computer, I'll briefly ttell yall my perspective. My answer is very boring and unchangeable; in order to change my perspective you'd have to change my fundamental belief on metaphysics - which, I'd certainly welcome any and all perspectives but that's beyond the scope of this conversation - it just so happens that my metaphysical beliefs directly influence how I think about this topic.

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  • LordLundin

    I'm, to simplify things, a determinist. It's the most useless position ever to hold. You realize once that everything has a cause and effect, there is no soul (which isn't a determinist position in of itself but is the result of holding quite riggerous scientific beliefs about the universe) and there's no free will. Then you recognize that it's incredible for feeding the empathy machine but that we can't stop thinking about us as a coherent identity, so for all intents and purposes it doesn't matter. You can't say "I don't believe in free will" without using the word I.

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  • LordLundin

    Furthermore, I've never ascribed concepts such as good or evil to people, largely because I'm too incompitent to find a logical ethical framework that can satisfy me. Rather, I see actions and people as a tragic set of circumstances should those actions or people appear to go against what I consider to be positive things. It's a catch 22 because I can talk about good and bad, but they're more abstract gut feelings rather than holding a logical position. I could tell you and be honest that I think murder is wrong, but I couldn't tell you why it is, just that I believe thus. That's how we end up with me being able to - if not rather abstractly - feel empathy for even the greatest monsters in history - think Hitler, Stalin, your local neighbourhood rapist etc. Of course this wouldn't stop me, if given the opportunity and knowing that my actions wouldn't

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  • LordLundin

    actions wouldn't cause even more damage, from gently sufficating that poor artist wanna-be in his sleep before he even developed his infamous mustache - greater good and all of that. This goes both ways of course. People I consider to be doing good things, including my own actions, are meerly fortunate circumstance.

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  • LordLundin

    This whole philosophy is rather boring in it's simplicity but has created some unsolvable dilemmas for me regarding ethics, accountability and all of that. Mostly I just end up going with the "fuck it, we ball" approach where I just parrot society like a normal person. I'd assume that's how most people go about their daily lives. Anyway, skitso rant over.

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  • Doug Lee

    The effects of things like brain tumors, frontal lobe injuries, etc., are fascinating, sometimes disturbing, and relevant to this topic. See also the movie Sins of the Mind. There are also both in-born and nurtured dispositions, which I think would apply to the Russian serial killer profiled in the movie Citizen X. I don't know enough to explain Bundy.

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  • Blinky X

    Hmmmm, predictable outcome. Fair enough. Lesson: @Flashpan

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  • Doug Lee

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  • In the end, there can only be the one

    Tyler, Blinky X, Doug, thank you thank you for your responses once again Blinky I can honestly say not everybody agrees with what you say all the time but you will give a compelling argument and you will give the receipts to back up what you’re saying which is very admirable. So thanks Doug. Yeah it was me who put out the ramble about the Sol. You know it’s funny cause it might even been you who mentioned this you know people sometimes meet people who have ““ dead eyes and it’s funny that this thing is circling back around from the Sol thing to this to this subject because quite often when people meet people like that they end up being like psychopaths you know it’s like that thing inside them has died and they are a shell you know like a Sol shell honestly so yeah very interesting as usual. I’m glad you guys found this topic. Interesting enough to make so many comments on so hey keep the conversation going. I appreciate it.

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  • Doug Lee

    Ah, the dead-eye thought was not mine but I do remember seeing it but not whose it was.

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  • CyberGeek

    Interesting question. I do agree with others that have commented on the subjectivity and need to define good and evil. But my answer is still the same. I do believe all humans are brought into the world as blank slates. I do believe there are genetic components that might predisposition us to certain personality or character traits. Ultimately, I do believe it is 90% environment, and 10% genetic factors.

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  • Lord America

    And there are some people that seem to society to be evil, but have been rehabilitated and I’ve turned their lives around and live law abiding productive lives. So expanding the question cause someone born evil become good? Also born evil the interpretation of evil is very different to all sorts of people. There are some Christians, unfortunately, who see people who are homosexual as evil for example. So evil can mean different things to different people. It’s a very vague term. What is the criteria for evil?

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  • Lord America

    Isn’t that ironic that in some United States states they have capital punishment and will either use a farming squad, lethal injection or other methods like hydrogen to kill a death row prisoner. So in those states they use murder to use as a punishment for some crimes. An evil act to punish an evil act? And I came across an article once that spoke about a judge who asked a bunch of families who witnessed their loved ones attack attacker being put to death by lethal injection by Punishment, and they said it did not bring them closure. They thought it would, but it didn’t.

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  • Lord America

    Society using firing squad, lethal injection to punish those are evil acts, murder, and evil act used to punish someone who’s done evil act themselves

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  • In the end, there can only be the one

    Hey Laura, London, listen to your last two messages. You know what I have to say. I’m really glad that something about this subject resonated with you it inspired you to talk and give your ideals in your knowledge and you know your thoughts about things I enjoyed listening to them, but there’s one thing that you kind of contradicted yourself about you mentioned somebody having a soul and in my previous ramble about the Sol you said you didn’t think we had a Sol which one is it? Do we have a Sol or do we not have a Sol?

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  • Doug Lee

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  • Artemis

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