Dan 26
Remember when men brought guns inside the Michigan statehouse to protest pandemic lockdowns (but really to frighten and intimidate lawmakers) and no one shot them. They weren’t even arrested.
Luke Delgado
Brandon
Brandon
First they came for the immigrants, And I did not speak out— Because I was not an immigrant. Then they came for the journalists, And I did not speak out— Because I was not a journalist. Then they came for the scientists and experts, And I did not speak out— Because I was not a scientist. Then they came for the judges and the rule of law, And I did not speak out— Because I was not a judge. Then they came for the election workers, And I did not speak out— Because I was not an election worker. Then they came for me— And there was no one left to speak for me, Because the crowd chanted “fake news” and turned away.
Dan 26
remember when a group of armed right wing militia members had a month-long standoff with federal agents in 2016 and then they were all acquitted? haha that was so crazy. anyway what were you saying about being armed and "obstructing federal agents"? I guess the January 6 writers wouldn’t have been pardoned if they were executed right?
Dan 26
, At its height, only 9 to 10% of Germanys population were members of the Nazi party, up to and including World War Two. All it takes for fascism to succeed is the silence of the rest. Silence is a luxury you can’t afford any longer. SILENCE IS COMPLICITY
Dan 26
Maybe it’s a matter of some people never having any beliefs or values important enough to protest over at any time in their life?
Dan 26
Exactly
Georgian
My God! Why is it so hard to grasp. If a protester is breaking the law, he should be arrested. Not killed! 
Dan 26
You are missing the point, what Ice is doing is unconstitutional, illegal and deadly.
Dan 26
Have a little self-respect already
Dan 26
The Trump-Vance administration just used your taxes to pay for ICE agents to kill a 37-year-old nurse, who was only there because another ICE agent killed a 37-year-old mother of three, who was only there because ICE agents are kidnapping your neighbors
Luke Delgado
DAJones
Again, you are missing the point. Protesting is legal. Obstructing law enforcement is not legal! So again a crime has been committed by both parties! I am not excusing any of this behavior! Again, the emphasis is on the fact that both people broke the law! Both of them, the protesters who obstructed law enforcement broke the law! The criminal that shot him broke the law! There is no denying those two facts. So do I say bloody hands or dirty hands? The answer is clean hands! If you protest stand aside when law-enforcement comes to do their job adhere to what law-enforcement tells you to do and there won’t be any fallout! So if you resist, or you hinder their progress, you are in violation of the law! It’s plain and simple. 
Dan 26
When you realize Ice is mostly deporting people who are here legally, it starts to look like a campaign of ethnic cleansing
Dan 26
They are trying to cover up the lynching, and a Trump appointed judge is asking them to stop
Georgian
Luke, I saw your suggested that they may be spying on this app. Well, I just recently heard Trump say in a speech that this country needs to rebuild the insane asylum that we shut down in the past. And then I wonder what Trump Derangement Syndrome become a recognized mental disorder? I also wonder, were the insane, Blind and Disabled in Nazi Germany.surprised when Hitler came for them? 
Dan 26
BREAKING: Trump-appointed judge blocks FBI/DOJ/DHS from destroying or altering evidence related to shooting of Alex Pretti by Border Patrol agent in Minneapolis. Judge Eric Tostrud grants TRO, sets Monday hearing. Doc: storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.usco… Earlier:
Dan 26
Yes, Luke, that’s partly what the big push for AI and its data centers is all about, right? AI is automating the surveillance.
Dan 26
DA Jones, you admitted that we’re dealing with a Gestapo, so why are you doing the both sides thing? It’s pretty laughable at this point in our history don’t you think?
Luke Delgado
It wouldn't surprise me if they were spying on this app either.
Dan 26
Ice is breaking the constitution and it supporters shouldn’t be tolerated. Filming the police is the pinnacle of your first amendment constitutional right, and now they are executing you for doing it and also adding you to a database of people they call domestic terrorists. It shows you how vital Documenting their crimes really is. It’s probably the biggest threat to their regime right now
Georgian
This is incredible! What would you choose between dirty hands or bloody hands?
Luke Delgado
Dan 26
We can’t afford to cuddle these fragile people who still believe the lies they are being told, it’s a little too late for all that don’t you think?
Dan 26
Everybody knows what happened already, except for those people who want to remain ignorant. If these executions were somehow justified, why would the federal authorities be blocking an investigation? For the first time in its history, the state of Minnesota has to file a lawsuit to access evidence in its own jurisdiction. If their hands are so clean why are they blocking any attempt to investigate? Please stop pretending to be naïve, it’s disingenuous and insulting to everybody not the least of which the dead
DAJones
Is not obstructing law enforcement a crime in and of itself? So again, I point out that both sets of hands are dirty here! Protesters broke laws apparently the officer felt threatened enough to need to use excessive force! Therefore, I say again, we do not have all the fact, we cannot say that’s everything until we have all of it. Thus I have to standby what I said no one has clean hands until I hear otherwise I will stand on that. Protesters obstruct law enforcement that is against the law. Impeding justice is a crime whether it warranted excessive force remains to be seen, remains to be told!
Georgian
No clean hands? Only one pair of hands has blood on them. if a protester is obstructing law-enforcement, they should be arrested, not killed.
DAJones
Why is it that everyone keeps trying to say what I’m doing? I’m not looking for a right or wrong side. I have said repeatedly that I believe both parties are in the wrong year! I do not deny that ice was using excessive force! I also know that it was not as peaceful as everyone makes it sound. Otherwise, the agent would not have felt the need to use excessive force! Again, we don’t have all of the details as yet. There will be more to come. I am confident of that. But I do stand by my statement, protesters, peaceful, or otherwise do not have the right to complain. They know they’re in the wrong when they obstruct federal obligations. Plain and simple, no one can obstruct law-enforcement, peaceful, or otherwise. A crime was committed by both people here. Therefore, I will emphasize again. There is no clean hands here! Both parties are in the wrong and not all of the facts has been released as yet.
The AI wizard
On this one, I’m just gonna wait till all the facts come out, I know how these stories are. They start off with all the sensationalizing and drama to get everybody fired up, but I’m gonna wait till all the facts come out. Seems like the responsible thing to do. 
Dan 26
Definitely a lot of mixed information coming out of someone’s asshole 
The AI wizard
Oh thanks Dan for the correction. Now they’re saying he was a veteran nurse whose cat died. 
Dan 26
Exactly, but that was CVS news not ABC News don’t you know
The AI wizard
Definitely a lot of mixed information coming out. It’ll be a while before we know the whole story but I saw ABC News just post that his cat died. So I guess he did this because his cat diedz, how senseless. 
Dan 26
TA Jones you are still lying about what happened. I do not believe you are that credulous, why are you covering for the murder? 
Luke Delgado
DAJones
OK, if it was so peaceful, why did the officer feel the need to use deadly force? Something is not right here. It does not track for me. Peace does not equate to threat.
Georgian
William Trump is now 25 years old is nonverbal and confined to a wheelchair 
Georgian
Read Fred Trump the third’s book all in the family his memoir about the Trump family and what Donald Trump said about his son William to summarize her to paraphrase. He said people like that should probably just die.
Dan 26
I know you want to find some magical center where everybody is Wright and everybody is wrong, but that’s not happening anymore. We are into a different situation now with the gestapo, so your fantasies about appeasing everybody are irrelevant 
Dan 26
Peaceful protest is protected under the first amendment. The feds are breaking the law, and the peaceful protesters are being executed. This is what you are defending.
DAJones
No, I am not talking out of both sides. What I am saying is those officers should be tried for what they’ve done. But those protesters have no right complaining when they understand the risk of obstructing a government operation. Plain and simple. There are no two ways about this. Those two men that shot those people should be prosecuted, but again they are government agents doing a job and those protesters have no Wright complaining when they are obstructing government officials. That is not talking out of both sides of my mouth. That is telling the fact as they are. A crime was committed by two different people and if we use the letter of the law, you cannot bring action in a court without clean hands. That is a legal term in case you’re not familiar with it. It means that if you’ve done something wrong, you can’t bring action against someone. It is that simple. 
Dan 26
The entire world knows it was an execution. I don’t care how scared you are of immigrants, the constitution is more important 
Luke Delgado
Dan 26
The masked agents who had no badges or warrants started beating up a peaceful protester, and when they pushed her to the ground and observer stepped up and they beat him down took his gun put him face down on the concrete and shot him 10 times in the back of the head. What are you defending? Why are you equivocating? Give me a break
Dan 26
I never said you were stupid, but whatever. You’re talking out of both sides of your mouth, either the criminals are the feds who are breaking the constitution or the criminals are the protesters and observers. Which is it? You’re using weasel words to avoid the conversation 
DAJones
I am not stupid, Dan! I am well aware of those people were US citizens! But I am also aware that they were in the wrong place at the wrong time trying to obstruct government agents from doing their job! I do not disagree. Those officers should be prosecuted ! Though I know that probably will not happen in this day and age under this particular regime. But, if you get in the way, you have to expect that there are going to be risks. Spin this story way you like it does not sit well trying to induce panic . You are no better than the media spitting this garbage out to the public without giving all the details. I know what is going on. I am not stupid as you may think. 
Dan 26
What else will he excuse? 
Dan 26
Apparently DA Jones does not know that the people who were just killed by the gestapo were American citizens, and he is still blathering on about citizenship and immigration in the constitution , how fucked up is that? 
DAJones