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  • Mckensie Parker

    This is so good! I have been wanting this for like ever now, ever since the original addon came out. But this one is even better!

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  • Ronan

    Tht add-on is a litteral joke! BTW don't forget to download the Berdock packages so that your languages are recognized and voices actually show up! Link: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ybK_moIxHDgybYRfF222BC0XTBU7Xp2y/view?usp=sharing

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  • Alexoloopios the looly cunt

    Oh that's cool, saw that on Telegram as well, since the original Google TTS NVDA thing was open source, I think it would be a good idea to also make this open source, make the Windows code under MIT, and just add a third-party licenses text file that explains that Google's code is under their licenses and is under their ownership. Josh Kennedy did a similar thing with his SAPI synthesizers.

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  • Ronan

    Not FOS-ing my own Windows adaptation code.

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  • Ronan

    Since this is not just a simple wrapper of some hell. No FOS.

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  • Alexoloopios the looly cunt

    Replying to  @ronan_c03: Not FOS-ing my own Windows adaptation code.

    Why, there's no reason not to, and people would trust it better.

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  • Alexoloopios the looly cunt

    Replying to  @ronan_c03: Since this is not just a simple wrapper of some hell. No FOS.

    Josh Kennedy did it fine, so there's no excuse

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  • Ronan

    Replying to  @alexoloopios: Why, there's no reason not to, and people would trust it better.

    Because of shits like Valeria Team or other kangers.

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  • Alexoloopios the looly cunt

    Replying to  @ronan_c03: Because of shits like Valeria Team or other kangers.

    That's not an excuse, just ignore those idiots.

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  • Alexoloopios the looly cunt

    That's honestly the shittiest excuse for not open sourcing something I've ever heard, and that's saying something, since Liam Erven gave some weird excuses.

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  • Ronan

    Replying to  @alexoloopios: That's not an excuse, just ignore those idiots.

    Apps are closed. ROM is closed. Stuff's closed. In the past as I had things FOS I used to get repports and stuff from users of other mods I couldn't control that were closed sourced. I've been in the ROM world, not just in the blind community. I know, from there, that once you release code in the hands of shit people, you're compromizing the software. Happened with ROM resources, happened with things. I've got experiences from spaces larger than the blind community. And I don't care about Liam Erven, I simply care about making sure users actually won't install unwanted shit alternatives with keyloggers on them or broken pipeline. This port's sensible.

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  • Ronan

    Replying to  @alexoloopios: That's honestly the shittiest excuse for not open sourcing something I've ever h

    You can call it shitty excuse all you want, I call it integrity and security. It's a TTS pipeline that receives messages from your SR for 1. For 2, the port is sensible itself. Like I said PPL could install an alternative forked by who knows whom and break their speech just because they changed what they shouldn't change. Been in the ROM world like I said. I can give you all you want if you yourself come and ask me to prove how the thing works to you or all kinds of shit, hell I can give you the source to inspect it before installing for a limited amount of time, but I won't make the tool itself FOS because I've been through shit. Fear? It's not fear it's integrity.

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  • Alexoloopios the looly cunt

    Replying to  @ronan_c03: You can call it shitty excuse all you want, I call it integrity and security. It

    You can have integrity and security in open source, do your fucking research, dude.

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  • Seedy

    Replying to  @alexoloopios: You can have integrity and security in open source, do your fucking research, du

    Besides, we live in an age where AI can rip your code to pieces if you ask it to, though I don't need to tell you that since, well, how else did you make this thing.

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  • Alexoloopios the looly cunt

    Replying to  @seedy: Besides, we live in an age where AI can rip your code to pieces if you ask it to

    Exactly, so Ronan is literally just making an ass out of himself for absolutely no gain at all. Might as well open source the bastard and be done with it, after this, that’s the only way he will be able to gain any more integrity since he wants to be stupid on here.

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  • Seedy

    Replying to  @alexoloopios: Exactly, so Ronan is literally just making an ass out of himself for absolutely

    https://github.com/cloudflare/security-audit-skill I'm literally using this right now to run a cybersecurity audit on one of my open source projects.

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  • Alexoloopios the looly cunt

    Replying to  @seedy: https://github.com/cloudflare/security-audit-skill I'm literally using this righ

    That’s awesome, so yeah, Ronan’s excuse falls flat, and when he said about little shits, that’s just people being people, not an excuse to keep something proprietary. Oh, and you watch him make a rant about this on his telegram channels, he did that once with someone else, he’s in his 20s but he sometimes acts like Mayowa 2.0 lol

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  • Ronan

    The fact that your software itself is secure, I know your software is secure. You can implement all you want though as long as you allow others to fork the project. Forking the project means having full access even to the security you implemented. Full access means modifying or deleting that security. Do I have to spell it out? We can be skilled and secure all we want as long as someone else has the power to remove it and resell it as closed source. It's intent, not litteral security. Read about XZ Utils supply-chain backdoor (CVE-2024-3094)

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  • Alexoloopios the looly cunt

    Replying to  @ronan_c03: The fact that your software itself is secure, I know your software is secure. Yo

    And forking means they are creating their own version of the project, not impacting your project. You clearly do not understand how this shit works, so actually do your research, because you look like the dumbest fucker I’ve ever known.

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  • Ronan

    True! Making their own project and selling it as yours.

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  • Alexoloopios the looly cunt

    Replying to  @ronan_c03: True! Making their own project and selling it as yours.

    Now that isn’t the case, they would still be open source, so it wouldn’t be selling it.

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  • Seedy

    Replying to  @alexoloopios: And forking means they are creating their own version of the project, not impact

    And what if something, God forbid, was to happen to you that meant you couldn't develop the software anymore. Ever heard the song My Grandfather's Clock? And it stopped, short, never to go again, when the old man died. Would you not want something you're extremely proud of to keep working and pass the torch along so that the project can continue to be enjoyed, maintained and developed long after you're gone?

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  • Ronan

    This is what happens when we don't understand consequence and we think so high level. The consequence of a fork isn't just a random open sourced Github fork! Ever thought that someone could fork your project, delete their Github account or cancel the fork after having downloaded the source? Many things can happen. These two just won't understand consequence and how this world really works. I made sure they can't interact here for the way they talked. I never even cursed anyone, yet he makes me a fucker? Such a kunt he is!

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  • Doug Lee

    Why are people pushing an author to open-source a project instead of enjoying the ability to use the program for free? I grant that inspection of code is sometimes of value; but also, we learn who to trust by what they do, with or without source. I've put out both open-source and closed-source projects over the last 35 years or so myself. Authors can make choices about what they do. Users can choose to use it or not. Users pushing volunteer authors is usually a losing proposition I think. As for Josh Kenedy, I've watched him poke fun at major icons of the NVDA community like Joseph Lee, which did not serve to make me respect Mr. Kenedy much even though I don't know him personally. These are just thoughts of mine; I'm not angry or even keyed up over here, just a bit surprised at the tone of this conversation.

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  • Doug Lee

    The other half my comment, which I started then got sidetracked from lol: For an independent application, the author can choose the license and thus the distribution terms, or even write an original license lol. There is a slight uniqueness for NVDA add-ons though: The code that NVDA loads into itself as an add-on is covered by GNU version 2, and thus must include published source code. I once had to convince a major telecommunications company of that one when I was contracted to write an add-on actually; only time I was ever paid to write NVDA code. In any case, if your product is just an app, you can pick what to include. If your product is an add-on or includes one though, you do have to open-source the code that NVDA runs.

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  • Ronan

    Of course! I'll FOS the Add-on.

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  • Ronan

    Though the add-on is just a plugin. It can't do anything without the app.

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  • Kyle in NC

    Geeks exactly. Welcome to keyboard wars.

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